- Pick one of the incidents or topics below that Holden talks about in Chapters 14-19 and discuss what they reveal about Holden’s character and his state of mind. Post your response on the blog in a thoughtful, well-supported, and skillfully written answer (recommended length: 3 paragraphs). NOTE: Each group must pick a different incident, so let Mrs. Minei Kimoto know which one you want to do. No duplication.
- religion and the disciples in Chapter 14 (“Take the Disciples for instance. They annoy the hell out of me.” p. 99)
- his roommate’s luggage and the nuns and Louis Shaney and Catholics in Chapter 15 pp. 108 - 113
- the incident when Holden proposes to Sally in Chapter 17
- Holden’s reflections on movies and shows in Chapter 18
- religion and the disciples in Chapter 14 (“Take the Disciples for instance. They annoy the hell out of me.” p. 99)
Homework
- Due 3/4: One group member posts the team’s answers as comments on the class blog. (Mrs. S will post the questions as a blog; you post your answers as comments on the blog. Be sure to list all team members’ names)
- Pages for next session: Chapter 20 – end (pp. 149 – 214)
Team Reflection #3: The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien
- Share your individual response on characters.
- As a team, pick one character and revise and extend your discussion from the individual reader response to share on the blog in a thoughtful, well-supported, and skillfully written answer (recommended length: 3 paragraphs). NOTE: Each group must post about a different character, so let Mrs. Minei Kimoto know which one you want to do. No duplication.
- Each person shares with the group the most confusing thing about their reading. Group tries to figure it out together and then shares the unsolved question(s) on the blog.
Homework
- Due 3/4: One group member posts the team’s answers as comments on the class blog. (Mrs. S will post the questions as a blog; you post your answers as comments on the blog. Be sure to list all team members’ names)
- Pages for next session: Chapters 17-20 (pp. 179-246)
3 comments:
Reader Response: Tim O'brien
Tim O'brien carried with him guilt. He carried with him the guilt of killing a man, who probably had hopes and dreams like the any other soldier in the war. A man who wanted the war to end just as quickly as anyone else. Tim carried the guilt of taking away everything this soldier had.
The event that focuses on Tim O'brien focuses on the one night watch where he kills the soldier. He kills him, without even thinking about it. It seemed almost automatic to him, to throw the grenade. But the years and the morning that followed were filled with guilt and remorse. On pg. 124 he describes the sight of the dead man; the soldier he had killed. He describes how one eye was shut, and another a star shaped circle. The way he looked clean and how dainty he seemed to look. He describes this sight all throughout the chapter "The Man I Killed." He then starts to think about the man and what kind of life he might of had. On pg. 125 he explains how maybe he'd lye on his back and hope that someday he may be brave enough to fight in the war like his uncle's and his father. And about how maybe he had the hopes of being a math teacher, and having the hope of someday making it all come true.
Lastly, I gained insight that the Tim O'brien, had come out of the war as one of the lucky ones. He had made the transistion from war to peace smoothly. But still, after all those years he can carry the guilt of the war and the burden of always knowing that he killed a man, and took away everything from him. The insight that was gained about the war was that it almost becomes an automatic thing. A duty that a soldier has to fulfill, not something that gives you a sense of valor or strength. Just something they had to do. Finally, the insight that was gained about life is that, even though life still goes on. The scars and the stories from the past always stick with you no matter what.
Kiara, Angela, Ciara
Alexis Amian & Jisel Liboy
incident when Holden proposes to Sally
This incident shows that Holden is very thoughtless and he doesn't think through situations like Sally does. As Holden is proposing, he has big ideas and a huge adventure in mind which shows he doesn't care that much about his current life.
I think that this incident also shows that Holden really wants to getaway. Throughout many chapters he is very depressed and feels like dying, and I think that this incident is his way of preventing this from happening again.
By the description of the way Holden is talking, he seems to be very excited about his idea and wants it to happen as soon as possible. I think that he is so excited and just wants to leave as soon as they walk out of the bar.
Character: Jimmy Cross
Jimmy Cross carries with him not only his love for Martha, but the guilt of be preoccupied, while one of his fellow soldiers were shot.
Jimmy Cross was standing near a tunnel, as Ted Lavender used the bathroom. While Ted was in the bathroom, Jimmy was day dreaming about Martha, and was in deep thought about his good luck pebble that she had given him. He was too busy day dreaming, that he wasn't keeping an eye out for Ted, and Ted was brutally shot.
From the reading, my insight is that Jimmy is deeply in love with Martha, and lets her, and their memories together get to him too much, that he can't concentrate on his very important duties that he has right in front of him, and he'll always have the guilt of being responsible for Ted's death. He knows that if he was keeping an eye out for Ted, then he wouldn't have died.
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